Dead Man Joaquin

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  Argument re: alcohol injected in body like blood transfusion proved wrong

  by truthseeker in

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  http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/7037443.stm .

  doctors save man with vodka drip .

  australian doctors have kept an italian tourist alive by feeding him vodka through a drip for three days, medical staff in queensland say.

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  Also, think about this: If a blood transfusion is the same thing as eating blood (re: the intravenous argument), then by the same logic an organ transplant would be considered cannibalism. I'm pretty sure the GB frowns on cannibalism, so why are organ transplants a "conscience matter"?
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  Public Talks To Be Discontinued!!! (NOT! - see page 8)

  by minimus in

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  after the sunday culttower study is over, everyone will be expected to preach because the end is soooooooo close!.

  [minimus i have added to the title so people can read yor correction.

  otherwise i think people might just miss it.

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  BTW, re. Occam's Razor and the WT... remember, this IS the Tower we're dealing with here... there ARE no "simplest explanations" with their mentality...
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  Public Talks To Be Discontinued!!! (NOT! - see page 8)

  by minimus in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  after the sunday culttower study is over, everyone will be expected to preach because the end is soooooooo close!.

  [minimus i have added to the title so people can read yor correction.

  otherwise i think people might just miss it.

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  The purpose of shortening of the Public Talks is (allegedly) to allow for more time in field service in the afternoon. I believe it has to do with more control over what is coming from the podium at the talks. Shorter talks means decreased possibility for speakers straying from the outlines, injecting their own ideas, etc. But I would not be surprised if the talks were completely dispensed with in the not-too-distant future. The continual tightening of the screws is an indicator that the WT is scared, and for good reason. Look at the proliferation of E-Watchman and other sites by those who claim to be of the anointed (There's not a ton of them, but they are out there). E-W is a huge threat to the WT because 1) he claims to be of the anointed, and, though his ideas are at least as nutty as the Tower's, his rants are different in that they are at least far more interesting than the WT's recycled pablum 2) pushes the idea that JW's are indeed God's Chosen People but that the WT is corrupt and Jehovah will "cleanse" it soon and 3) DOES NOT ENCOURAGE PEOPLE TO LEAVE THE ORG. What is more dangerous to the GB? An "apostate" who says to get the hell out of the cult (obvious agent of Satan there) or an "apostate" who actually still teaches that JWs are the only "true religion"? People who are still in the org who cotton to the latter POV are FAR MORE of a threat to those on the outside. Expect to see an artificial, WT-induced "sifting" soon. Maybe they will make us take some kind of an oath or pledge of allegiance to the flag, er, organization, or one day, out of the blue, ask point-blank for a show of hands if there is anybody who has doubts about "Mother". Or maybe they will try to stage Armageddon. I don't know about Kool-Aid, but "compounds" or some such would not surprise me at all. Remember the Residential Towers that were supposed to go up a few blocks from Columbia Heights a couple of years back? I believe that the WT would rather go out with a bang than a whimper before they lose their wad to the multiplicity of lawsuits that are indubitably pending. The time is just right for just such a scenario. Look at the Middle East, for Christ's sake.
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  A coup against the Watchtower?

  by Dead Man Joaquin in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  i believe that if enough "anointed" get fed up with the hypocrisy of the leadership, a coup may be likely if not inevitable.. .

  what i've been wondering is: how would such a scenario play out in real life?

  i'm sure we can agree that all the organizational power ultimately rests in the hands of the eleven little men in brooklyn known collectively as the governing body.

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  I agree that the recent article regarding the "anointed" having no more spiritual insight than anyone else will probably piss off a few of them. But what are the logistics of such a thing happening? What kind of security measures employed at Bethel would have to get past? I imagine having the thing televised might put the current GB powermongers in a mighty uncomfortable position in which they would be compelled to acquiesce...
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  New blog

  by Dead Man Joaquin in

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  http://shunningmuststop.blogspot.com/.

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  please take a moment to visit and let me know what you think.. .

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  Dead Man Joaquin

  http://shunningmuststop.blogspot.com/

  Please take a moment to visit and let me know what you think.

  Later
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  A coup against the Watchtower?

  by Dead Man Joaquin in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  i believe that if enough "anointed" get fed up with the hypocrisy of the leadership, a coup may be likely if not inevitable.. .

  what i've been wondering is: how would such a scenario play out in real life?

  i'm sure we can agree that all the organizational power ultimately rests in the hands of the eleven little men in brooklyn known collectively as the governing body.

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  I believe that if enough "anointed" get fed up with the hypocrisy of the leadership, a coup may be likely if not inevitable.

  What I've been wondering is: How would such a scenario play out in real life? I'm sure we can agree that all the organizational power ultimately rests in the hands of the eleven little men in Brooklyn known collectively as the Governing Body. How difficult would it be for a well-organized group of "anointed" to overthrow these men? What security measures would they be up against?

  Your thoughts please?
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  Has the Watchtower ever officially LIED?

  by Dead Man Joaquin in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  no, i'm not here to defend them.

  but you know how they love to get off on technicalities.

  i'm sure all here would agree that the wt is extremely evasive, misleading, and intellectually dishonest (i.e.

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  No, I'm not here to defend them. But you know how they love to get off on technicalities. I'm sure all here would agree that the WT is extremely evasive, misleading, and intellectually dishonest (i.e. Theocratic Warfare), and can't prophecy or exegete its way out of a wet paper bag, but you can be all that without ever actually flat-out LYING (the letter of the law if not the spirit). For example, if you actually read the disclaimer on the WT Library CD-ROM it states somewhere that the contents therein cannot be guaranteed to be the exact representation of the original material (or something to that effect), so we can't really nail them there for revisionist history. Are there any documented, provable examples of the WT actually stating, in print or otherwise, something that is patently and demonstrably false, where they can't play the tired "Oh, we never actually SAID that" card? Just wondering.
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  So how did the folks in YOUR congregation react to this week's KM?

  by Dead Man Joaquin in

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  2. scandals

  you know, the one where independent bible research is forbidden, er, discouraged.. .

  did anybody actually have the balls to say, "the society does not say such activities are forbidden or discouraged, just not endorsed?

  " (nudge, nudge, wink, wink).

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  Dead Man Joaquin

  Can't BTTT tomorrow. Only have unfettered Internet access once per week. Would you do me the honors?

  Later
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  So how did the folks in YOUR congregation react to this week's KM?

  by Dead Man Joaquin in

  1. watchtower
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  you know, the one where independent bible research is forbidden, er, discouraged.. .

  did anybody actually have the balls to say, "the society does not say such activities are forbidden or discouraged, just not endorsed?

  " (nudge, nudge, wink, wink).

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  Dead Man Joaquin

  You know, the one where independent Bible research is forbidden, er, discouraged.

  Did anybody actually have the balls to say, "The Society does not say such activities are FORBIDDEN or DISCOURAGED, just not ENDORSED?" (nudge, nudge, wink, wink)

  One sister said "When I read this, it made the hair on the back of my neck stand on end. This is scary. People are actually doing this? This is not good!" Referring to the folks doing the independent research, that is.

  Funny, I thought the same thing about the Watchtower when I read the article...
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  Pedophilia Summary

  by LennyinBluemont in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  ive read barbaras intro to the pedophile records and thought it might be useful to have a record here on the forum of the most damning and verifiable facts regarding the pedophilia situation.

  sort of a summary.

  that way we can all have a source to go to and be able to quickly summarize whats criminal about the way the society has used its authority in this matter.

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  Dead Man Joaquin

  Does anybody remember a thread from a ways back about a young lady accusing Ted Jaracz of child molestation?

  From everything I've read on Barbara's site about the man, he certainly appears to fit the profile.

  If it's true, and he IS the real "head" of the Org, then none of this should really surprise anyone.